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Changes in Religion
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 5 2014, 08:44 AM (2,249 Views)
+ Ginyu	Aug 5 2014, 08:44 AM Post #1
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	The Bible is Full of verses that don't make sense in our current world and are not followed by 99% of the christians. Among these Are: don't wear clothes made of 2 different fabrics, don't eat shrimp, women don't have authority over men, etc. I discussed this in another topic about gay being a choice and people told me that rules just change over time. Honestly I'm not buying it. God has never told you these rules have changed, there is no second Bible that Applies to the modern world? Who are we, Mere Humans, To decide what rules do and do not count? What right do any of us have to tell us which Bible verses Christians don't have to follow?
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Jet	Aug 5 2014, 09:51 AM Post #2
Ruka is a dude Posts: 443 Group: Member Member #9,382 Joined: April 16, 2013 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime LOGH, Berserk, Monster, Steins;Gate, Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, GITS, Studio Ghibli's stuff. What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer (message sent from 2005) Favourite Manga Berserk, Dragon Ball, Vagabond	That's a very good question. Christians especially are by an large not devout. They'll fight tooth and nail for one Biblical standard while ignoring and even openly defying another.



+ Steve	Aug 5 2014, 10:04 AM Post #3
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	GinyuTokusentai Aug 5 2014, 08:44 AM The Bible is Full of verses that don't make sense in our current world and are not followed by 99% of the christians. Among these Are: don't wear clothes made of 2 different fabrics, don't eat shrimp, women don't have authority over men, etc. I discussed this in another topic about gay being a choice and people told me that rules just change over time. Honestly I'm not buying it. God has never told you these rules have changed, there is no second Bible that Applies to the modern world? Who are we, Mere Humans, To decide what rules do and do not count? What right do any of us have to tell us which Bible verses Christians don't have to follow? Basically: "If it's convenient for me I'm allowed to disobey God but if you disobey God in a way I don't like by being gay for instance YOU CAN BURN IN HELL for only non gays can eat shrimp and shave our beards" "Plus shrimp is tasty of course God would allow ME to eat it but you're not allowed to fall in love with other men" I find it really funny pointing those rules out and backing people spouting their nonsense in to a corner, acting like God ever said there were some exceptions. It's just like no face it all the rules are a farce if really God wanted us to not each shrimp or wear mixed cloth it would make it so that we burst in to flames should we try, if God is even real it clearly doesn't give a damn what people do. The world is still here, even with all the sinning that's gone on over the years, imagine that.... To be honest I'm at the point now where if someone starts trying to tell me that stuff I'm not even going to be civil, just going to tell them to shut up. If you can't follow your own religion don't reprimand me for not doing so when I wasn't forced in to that life.
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+ Ginyu	Aug 5 2014, 10:11 AM Post #4
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	If I wanted to be a true Christian and follow the bible as if it is holy I would probably have to go Amish wouldn't I? Edited by Ginyu, Aug 5 2014, 10:11 AM.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Aug 5 2014, 11:51 AM Post #5
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	The Bible has been censored ever since it's introduction around year 700 AD. There's plenty of scriptures that didn't make it into the Bible that were considered legit scriptures by early day Christians. The actual Bible as we recognize it today wasn't compiled until a little after the year 700 AD. Just as a fun fact, the Bible was also the first document compiled in which it was physically constructed to look like what we recognize today as a book. This set-up was done so that people could compare verses easily. Just to clarify, a lot of Christians follow primarily the New Testament, which is the gospels and the Book of Revelations. A lot of Christians also incorporate entertainment-based documents like The Divine Comedy by Dante Aligheri which describes the nine levels of Hell, and Paradise Lost, which was a novel by John Milton which chronicles Lucifer's downfall and his descent into Hell. Even though these are not truly canon, many modern-day Christians follow these texts as literal accounts. I must say that I find that Christians often excuse the Old Testament as "a different time", but fail to argue for the fact that the 10 Commandments as well as everything about homosexuality is exclusively in the Old Testament. They also fail to realize that Jesus himself said that the laws from the Old Testament still applied, (as according to Matthew) Matthew 5:18-19 "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Aug 5 2014, 11:52 AM.
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SuperSaiyan1993	Aug 5 2014, 03:08 PM Post #6
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	What amazes me is that people assiduously analyze context, metaphor, and intent for pieces of fiction like Shakespeare, yet they will not even try to truly analyze the Bible. In the Old Testament, Israel had to abide by many laws, such as sacrifices and rituals, in order to strive to be the holy nation of God. God set forth the 10 Commandments. [Exodus 20] (1)"You must not have any other god but me" (2) "You must not make for yourself an idol." (3) 'You must not misuse the name of the LORD your God." (4) "Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy." (5) "Honor your father and mother." (6) "You must not murder" (7) "You must not commit adultery." (8) "You must not steal." (9) "You must not testify falsely against your neighbor." (10) "You must not covet." In order to ensure that Israel had a chance of keeping these laws, many rituals were promulgated so they knew how to avoid sin. Even then, Israel couldn't do it. Humanity needed to be redeemed When Jesus finally came, he was the fulfillment of these laws -- Isaiah 53:3-6 "He was despised and rejected -- a man of sorrows, acquainted with deepest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way. He was despised and we did not care. Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our diseases that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God, a punishment for his own sins! But he was pierced for our rebellion, crushed for our sins. He was beaten so we could be whole. He was whipped so we could be healed. All of us, like sheep, have strayed away. We have left God's paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the sins of us all." Matthew 5:17 "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose." Mark 12:29 "Jesus replied, 'The most important commandment is this: 'Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD. And you must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind, and all your strength'. The second is equally important: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' No other commandment is greater than these." Matthew 7:12 "Do unto others whatever you would like them to do unto you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." As for people discriminating against others, like gays, Jesus explicitly forbids it: Luke 6:27 "But to you who are willing to listen, I say, love your enemies! Do good to those who hate you." Luke 6:37 "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven." Matthew 5:22 "If you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment!" Matthew 10:14 "If any household or town refuses to welcome you or listen to your message, shake its dust from your feet as you leave. Furthermore, without the Holy Spirit, we are all the same: sinful human beings. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." John 15:5 "Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me, you can do nothing." Edited by SuperSaiyan1993, Aug 5 2014, 03:25 PM.
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Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro	Aug 5 2014, 04:40 PM Post #7
Elder Posts: 1,080 Group: Member Member #9,167 Joined: March 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DB	GinyuTokusentai Aug 5 2014, 08:44 AM The Bible is Full of verses that don't make sense in our current world and are not followed by 99% of the christians. Among these Are: don't wear clothes made of 2 different fabrics, don't eat shrimp, women don't have authority over men, etc. I discussed this in another topic about gay being a choice and people told me that rules just change over time. Honestly I'm not buying it. God has never told you these rules have changed, there is no second Bible that Applies to the modern world? Who are we, Mere Humans, To decide what rules do and do not count? What right do any of us have to tell us which Bible verses Christians don't have to follow? like I said the rules were applied to a different time if you didn't just skim through it. A lot of the rules still hold true today but you can't take all of this too serious because it was for a different time and different circumstance.
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Topographic Oceans	Aug 5 2014, 04:51 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,788 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro Aug 5 2014, 04:40 PM GinyuTokusentai Aug 5 2014, 08:44 AM The Bible is Full of verses that don't make sense in our current world and are not followed by 99% of the christians. Among these Are: don't wear clothes made of 2 different fabrics, don't eat shrimp, women don't have authority over men, etc. I discussed this in another topic about gay being a choice and people told me that rules just change over time. Honestly I'm not buying it. God has never told you these rules have changed, there is no second Bible that Applies to the modern world? Who are we, Mere Humans, To decide what rules do and do not count? What right do any of us have to tell us which Bible verses Christians don't have to follow? like I said the rules were applied to a different time if you didn't just skim through it. A lot of the rules still hold true today but you can't take all of this too serious because it was for a different time and different circumstance. That makes sense only if you believe that the bible was written by regular humans. God's morality should be universal, and not appliable only to certain periods of time... I mean, he is supposed to be omniscient, his rules shouldn't become outdated. Humans can be products of their time, but God can't.
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Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro	Aug 5 2014, 04:55 PM Post #9
Elder Posts: 1,080 Group: Member Member #9,167 Joined: March 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DB	TheDoc Aug 5 2014, 04:51 PM Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro Aug 5 2014, 04:40 PM GinyuTokusentai Aug 5 2014, 08:44 AM The Bible is Full of verses that don't make sense in our current world and are not followed by 99% of the christians. Among these Are: don't wear clothes made of 2 different fabrics, don't eat shrimp, women don't have authority over men, etc. I discussed this in another topic about g being a choice and people told me that rules just change over time. Honestly I'm not buying it. God has never told you these rules have changed, there is no second Bible that Applies to the modern world? Who are we, Mere Humans, To decide what rules do and do not count? What right do any of us have to tell us which Bible verses Christians don't have to follow? like I said the rules were applied to a different time if you didn't just skim through it. A lot of the rules still hold true today but you can't take all of this too serious because it was for a different time and different circumstance. That makes sense only if you believe that the bible was written by regular humans. God's morality should be universal, and not appliable only to certain periods of time... I mean, he is supposed to be omniscient, his rules shouldn't become outdated. Humans can be products of their time, but God can't. The context of my statement was that the Israelites were traveling from Egypt to their promise land. This was his chosen people to raise up as a great nation. As they're passing they would have to go through many other cultures and civilizations with different belief systems and customs. So God made a lot of rules to make his people stand out so that he could hope to keep them in check and that they wouldn't stray away from their goal. I can't speak for all Christians when I speak about this but this is what I believe. I also doubt you'll find a Christian who follows the rules set up from Exodus to Deuteronomy to the T Edited by Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro, Aug 5 2014, 04:58 PM.
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SpeedoTrunks	Aug 5 2014, 05:06 PM Post #10
Posts: 908 Group: Member Member #9,238 Joined: March 22, 2013 Gender Not Specified	TheDoc Aug 5 2014, 04:51 PM .....I mean, he is supposed to be omniscient, his rules shouldn't become outdated. He is also supposed to exist, but that is up for debate. Seriously though, all major religions have to change in order to stay relevant. Could you imagine the "bible belt" area of the US if something was changed in the bible to retcon all the crazier stuff in there? They would go completely insane. This is why I respect Buddhist teachings. Not only does it teach to respect and understand other religions, but to also just be flat out kind to others because that's all we really need in this life. Nobody is right or wrong when it comes to "who/what is controlling the universe", because nobody really knows for sure



Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro	Aug 5 2014, 05:13 PM Post #11
Elder Posts: 1,080 Group: Member Member #9,167 Joined: March 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DB	Well to be fair Jesus taught respect and "turning the other cheek" as well.
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Zenet	Aug 5 2014, 05:41 PM Post #12
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	You either take the whole Bible word by word or you know in the back of your head that its not true. Religious people don't really believe the bible is the word of God they think they ought to believe. But we all have common sense and the bible doesn't have any of that.



Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro	Aug 5 2014, 06:00 PM Post #13
Elder Posts: 1,080 Group: Member Member #9,167 Joined: March 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DB	Zenet Aug 5 2014, 05:41 PM You either take the whole Bible word by word or you know in the back of your head that its not true. Religious people don't really believe the bible is the word of God they think they ought to believe. But we all have common sense and the bible doesn't have any of that. Kind of a narrow way to look at things don't you think. I also wish you didn't make ignorant statements such as the Bible doesn't have any common sense. Let's keep it respectful
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+ Ginyu	Aug 5 2014, 06:16 PM Post #14
Leve Feyenoord 1! Posts: 4,490 Group: Elite Member Member #9,685 Joined: June 30, 2013 Gender Female Country Netherlands Favourite Anime NJPW What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Reading is for nerds, yo!	He does make a point though. Sure your context argument might work for the two fabrics, but let's take Leviticus 11:12: Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you So...? I guess it says Christians can not eat shrimp. Zenet does make a point about you either follow it word for word or you do not. There is no centrist position when it comes to following the bible. You can't say, I believe these parts, but I don't believe those parts. If you're a christian, you believe in god and you believe the bible is the holy book, if you don't believe that then you're not a Christian. Just a deist.
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Zenet	Aug 5 2014, 06:21 PM Post #15
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Sorry for coming of rude I was directing my post to the introduction. There is some truth in Bible teachings mostly said by Jesus but anything that explains the world is explained by myths or vague verses. You could get one of William Shakespeare novels vaguely explaining the Big Bang or Evolution etc.



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